Well, well,well.....
It is that time again fellas. I have decided to change things up a bit. No we arent gonna plan on a 150f in the summer hike this year.
We are however gonna do one during a time when the weather is all nice a perfect for those who are climate control challenged.
Here is the gory details and then some....
Dates- March 20-21st
Location-
Florida trail, Ocala north section , Ocala national forest,Florida. Start point Juniper springs 9am .
Distance- total distance will equal to about 20 miles over a two day period.
support- as always we will have some sort of "base" camp for those wanting to camp with the creature comforts and to be our safety net.This normally is on a half way point or our end point for sat nights camp. The base camp will be located in an area that allows people to just show up Sat. mid day and mingle with other base campers or hikers as they come off the trail. As well as let those not wanting to hike to just camp and network. Folks may also set up at base camp and hike towards the main hiking group,making for a short 2-4 mile day hike vs the 8-10 miles.There is a rather large number of "preparedness" types in central florida, This would be a great time to network with those who are active in this area.
Now about the hike for those that have never been or want more info.
I have been hosting and co-hosting hikes on and off the web in the ONF since early 2003. Over the years we have grown from 2-5 core hikers to over 20 at one point. We have a well established base camp/support structure in place to keep track of us,pick up those wanting to day hike and or to ferry us all back at trips end and worse case rescue us from zombies.
There is no requirements for these hikes. You dont need fancy gear, you dont need to go the whole distance. day hikers are welcome as always.
Our goal for this hike is a little different than our previous ones. Normally we would aim for only going 5-6 miles the 1st day, 3 the next to be ferried back to the springs.
To be honest,while that is a nice walk it hinders the majority while catering to the minority. Our goal is to reach a pre assigned point, hook up with base camp, stay the night and hike back to our starting point on Sunday.To do this we will need to walk at the minimum 8 miles the 1st day. The positive of this is our position to a trail head. This will allow day hikers that only wish to walk a few hundred yards to meet/greet and network the chance to do so with the hikers and the base camp. This will also allow those not willing to hike the chance to camp out with everyone as well. There is a well known educational loop trail near by that connects to the FT close to where base camp will be for those wanting to shake down gear on their own or to just kill time until hikers arrive.
This will be a skill based hike. Meaning you will be on your own for the most part, or with others that can hold your pace or vice versa. Those that have backpacked know we all have a different pace. In hikes past this has caused issues. So to curb that.
People will all be given a map of the trail. I do however feel that you should have your own anyway ( you know being prepared and all) directions on where base camp should be, the chosen radio freqs for this event ( we will have both a HAM and frs/grms radio net up). This will let those with faster paces or lighter packs to continue without feeling bogged down by "slower" hikers. This will also let the non runners the chance to learn their pace,walk at their own speed and in general not feel pushed to "go so fast" . So as i said, it will be up to you to get to the base camp.This means if you haven't hiked before or walked farther than a mile you need to start preparing for it, but working out,pre testing your gear etc.
Of course as always we take safety precautions and will have runners, the radio net up, and more than likely there will be others that know the area mixed in with each pace group to help guide the way.
The terrain/trail. The above makes it sound harsh. But in reality it is not. This section of trail is the most maintained and used. Due to its closeness to trail heads, spurr trails and natural springs. Water sources are everywhere, and with the weather during that time of year. Dehydration issues should be a NON issue if folks are staying hydrated. expect typical Florida sand scrub habitat, the ever so dreaded sugar sand we cry about, wide open clear cuts/burn outs, deep lush oak hammocks and open pine flats. This is a nice hike for experienced hikers as well as new folks wanting to network or shake down their kits.
To make it easier and help me plan with the support side of this event. Please email me at flasurvival@hotmail.com any questions you may have.
further details will be posted as time goes on. Start prepping now if you plan to make this your 1st BOB shake down.This is the trip to do it while netwokring some of the most active people in the south east.
NOTE-
day hikers/base campers.
Please email me to confirm( head count reasons) if you are going to show.
Due to the closeness of the base camp to a trail head ,the general location of the base camp/actual trail head will only be emailed to those that confirm with me via email!
If you do not email me i will not be able to give you the information you will need to locate camp.
While some may take offense to this it is for the security of the base camp and our privacy- we are all survivalist and should all recognize the need for this step!!
Friday, January 22, 2010
Wednesday, January 6, 2010
Got the Chills
Well the coldest day in central Florida is upon us according to the local media. Gasp, we may hit the mid twenties and even snow flurries!So i figured it would be a good time to go over some cold weather tips that are relevant to our AO.
Right now would be a good time to put any gear and yourself to the test. Even if it is in a controlled environment , like your back yard. This way you are near the "warmth" and safety of home before running out to the woods to freeze to death!
Florida is not known for it's cold weather. However we do see temps well into the 20 and 30F range yearly. As of later for over a week now.This leads to a notion that it is "never" cold here by some. Since we are a state is plagued by the constant influx of "northern" folks, they seem to always be the ones who have the most issues adjusting to our ever changing climate.
Cold weather clothing.
Wet is dead. Some say cotton, I like to keep it simple. Wet is dead. Always remember this when setting up your gear( BOB,line 2 ,GHB or home kit) and your clothing choices for outdoor activities. Your 1st line of defense against the cold is the base layer. This is the wicking layer that you wear closest to your skin. In my opinion if your being active outdoors ( hunting,camping,backpacking etc) you should go with a silk weight synthetic or actual silk base layer. These can be purchased everywhere, even places like target,walmart and online.
Your next layer is your insulating layer. This layer will change per the weather. You dont want to wear a 300+ wt fleece if its only 55f out and your going trail running! Again wet is dead. You want to have either a synthetic,down or poly/fleece layer here.Last is your outer shell. This can be made of gore tex,nylon, or similar brand fabrics. This is the layer that keeps the wind,rain and snow off of you. The whole set up should look like this when set up as an example.
base layer - silk weight pants and LS shirt
insulating layer- 200/300 fleece jacket
outer shell- gore tex jacket
You can opt out now days and buy a complete 3-4 way system already made from most outdoor clothing vendors or military surplus.
Layering is key to this whole system. What is it I have said already? Wet is dead. As your activity level raises you will then peel away layers to maintain a level that keeps perspiration to a minimum.
Camping when it is cold
Besides building a fire that can heat Uranus, you can do quite a few things to stay warm once you settle in for the night when it is cold. First off, again do not underestimate mother nature. A night with temps into the 60's may very well be your coldest night if you haven't prepared for it. To have a nice "warm" nights rest you should have the following gear.
sleeping bag- This bag should be rated to at least the avg winter temp of your AO. For Florida a 20f to 30 f bag should work. I personally would lean more towards the 20f bag. The reason behind this is that a bags rating is the max comfort rating for that bag over a 4-6 hour time period while in a tent on a ground pad. That is how they obtain their "comfort" rating. My comfort is different than your comfort. Which is why i recommend going lower in the rating and to be quite honest manufacturers tend to rate lower than what their bag can handle.In other words that 30 f may only be a 40f! The bag can be of any design and weight, but chose one that fits you (yes some are sized to the user) and your outdoor applications best. I wouldn't suggest a 9 lb two person -20f bag to fit on your Bug Out Bag if you get the drift.
Ground pad/sleep pad- This is a must no matter where you will be camping. The ground will suck the warmth right out of you. This pad can be of closed cell. Which will be the cheapest and lightest or an air pad/self inflating pad. Now that i am not 18 anymore i like the thermarest brand of self inflating pads. They are well made, light weight and are pretty darn comfortable when compared to a closed cell. Both work well, but have one,either one. If not you'll freeze.
Large inflatable mattresses- You all know these ones. The king sized use an air pump to blow them up types. These will not insulate you from the ground. The cold air and ground temps will radiate up into the mattress and right into you. I suggest you use a foam pad between you and the mattress or some sort of thermal barrier under the mattress and the ground.
clothing- See it comes up again. Wet is Dead.
Before you crawl into your -65f bag to battle the 30f temps. Make sure you put on dry clothing. This doesn't have to be 2 layers of sweat pants and shorts. In reality a dry silk weight base layer,dry socks and a watch cap will help you stay alot warmer than putting on 20 layers then laying down to sleep. Doing so only traps in your body heat and doesn't allow it transfer to the bag. The bag itself is a layer of clothing. It is your "insulating" layer when you compare it to you clothing system we spoke of earlier. Make sure you change into dry clothes!
Outer shell- Yes,even your sleep system should have one. This pertains more to those camping outdoors,in small bivy tents or under a tarp. You will want a barrier between you and the elements. Just like your clothing layers this layer should keep rain,wind etc . off you and your insulating layer. These can be simple bivys made of treated nylons and similar fabrics to fully water proof gore tex ones.Make sure it is breathable either way. Trapping in moisture between this layer and your bag means a wet bag and a cold camper!
Liners/systems- some folks like to add second bags,liners or use a 3-4 part sleep system to match the season. This is a good way to match any type of weather year round. The only downfalls i see is the weight factor when using such systems for backpacking or a bug out bag. But you can tailor these systems. For example. My "cold" weather set up is. Zero F rated slumberjack bag,50+f ultra light bag and h20 proof bivy bag. In spring/early summer i run the 50f rated UL bag, the bivy. In summer i run a poncho liner and 1.5 oz ripstop nylon "blanket". The one item that doesn't change is my ground pad! Just like your clothing it is all in layers that you can shed if need be per the season.
So layer up, get out there and test yourself and your gear. Some of the best camping and outdoor activities our state has to offer can be had over the next few months. You know before its 100F out and the bugs carry you away!
Monday, November 16, 2009
Hey everyone received an email from SH, pointing out a survival forum dedicated to the state of Georgia. Here it is, enjoy!!
http://www.gasurvivalforum.com/
If you have any links or web sites dedicated to survivalism in the south east please send the up to us at
flasurvival@hotmail.com
D69A
http://www.gasurvivalforum.com/
If you have any links or web sites dedicated to survivalism in the south east please send the up to us at
flasurvival@hotmail.com
D69A
Tuesday, November 10, 2009
Meeting other's that DO walk the walk
Hello viewers-
Just a heads up to stay tuned for some Florida area meets/get togethers that are in the works for the upcoming few months.
Hope to meet some of you soon.
( The above pictures and many more you will see here are all from Central Florida survival hikes,camp outs and greets! Dont miss out!!!
D69A
Monday, November 9, 2009
Hey where have you all been? No part 2 to your dehydrating film? or new blog post? What gives...?
Ted from Nc.
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Hello Ted, were still here and kicking!
Sorry for the delay on postings/replies and loading films.
Recently I had to leave town for 10 days for work and personal issues.
We should have regular postings and films up shortly.
Thanks for the email Ted!
D69A
Ted from Nc.
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Hello Ted, were still here and kicking!
Sorry for the delay on postings/replies and loading films.
Recently I had to leave town for 10 days for work and personal issues.
We should have regular postings and films up shortly.
Thanks for the email Ted!
D69A
Retreat arrangements
*** From RH ,thank you RH for this entry ***
Retreat arrangements
OK, so you don't have 40 acres on a mountain in Idaho, or 20 acres in the swamps of southern Georgia, you live in the suburbs and your convinced that you must stay there. What to do?First and foremost I'd be amiss if I didn't call "bravo sierra" on the fact that you "have" to stay in the suburbs. In case you didn't get the memo, "bravo sierra" stands for BS.
I'm convinced that ANYONE serious enough can make it out of the suburbs/city and move to the country, usually within 6 months IF motivated enough. Some want it bad enough, most don't however. So let's consider some Retreat Arrangements other than living full time at your retreat. First off, let's consider the absentee owner route. This is where you own a retreat property in a safe area as well as maintaining a "normal" residence in suburbia. The high costs involved with keeping up essentially two households usually becomes overwhelming for the average survivalist. Even a modest cabin with 2 acres can set one back $10-20,000. in some areas of the country now a days. We won't even consider the costs of property taxes, mowing, general upkeep, etc. Another disadvantage is the fact that it's highly likely that a lone unoccupied residence will be broken into, sometimes repeatedly. We have some neighbors in our area that purchased a house here but remained in another state. The house was repeatedly broken into. So much so the wife would come up unexpectedly, hide her vehicle and sit in the house with a rifle and the lights off! She was determined to catch whoever was breaking in. For them the theft of items was a nuisance. If you are depending on having key items in place and you arrive at your retreat to find them gone, it may cause you slightly more discomfort. Especially if you only become aware of the loss when the items are truly needed.
With absentee ownership there is also the real possiblity that you will arrive to find your retreat already occupied. Serious thought, planning and preparation should be given to how you would have to re-take it. Some would argue that you could hire a "caretaker" to live on the property and watch over it while you are away. I would argue that there is a 90% chance that your "caretaker" will not take too kindly to being booted out when the time comes for you to occupy the retreat. The mere implications of bringing the proverbial "wrong person" with him to your property could wreck your security for years to come. Probably the biggest factor against this sort of retreat arrangement would be the experience factor. Living at your retreat full time teaches you an immense amount of information that you will not get with monthly or even every weekend trips.
When we left Florida in November of 1999 I honestly felt pretty confident in my ability to raise food. I had raised rabbits and chickens in my backyard in suburbia, had a small garden, etc. I had read, studied and consumed hundreds of books on growing food, raising animals, ponds and orchards. In retrospect, I didn't have a clue!!!I realize now that I was waaaaay behind the learning curve for most subjects dealing with true long term survival. Sure I had plenty of food storage, which could have given me a lot of time to learn, however I likely would not have had specific items I needed, time to develop soil, or even just the correct varieties of fruit trees that would produce in my area. I really do pity the folks that think homesteading will be a "piece of cake." I would highly suggest that if you do not have credible, real life, year to year experience growing 50% or more of what you currently eat yourself, that you absolutely forget the notion of a 1 year supply and work towards a 2 year and preferably a 3 year supply. Having this much food storage will be a "cushion" to allow you time to develop the skills to raise your own food.
The only way I would advise the "absentee" ownership move would be if you have a short time frame- less than a year- until you can and will actually move to your retreat. At the very least your going to have to start thinking outside the box, using a lot of psy-ops techniques and do a good amount of midnight gardening in you choose absentee ownership. One other possible retreat arrangement would be the group retreat. I've spent a lot of time and bandwidth in previous blogs going over how and why this type of thing usually does not work. Suffice to say in my encounters with literally thousands of survivalists over the last 20 years, I've seen a total of 1 of these types of arrangements that worked. The reason it worked? The group was already a "group" before it purchased the land. Common bonds were formed decades before, it was essentially one big family. Meeting JoeBob and Cleetus on the net and making this work with them is pretty much an impossiblity. Getting financially knit together with people you do not know well is never a good idea.
Other arrangements-
Occassionaly in corresponding with and consulting with like minded folks I met survivalists that have already made the move out of the cities. It's not uncommon for them to realize the need for a group of people to depend on- a retreat group or survival group- to up there own chances of survival. It doesn't take much time to figure out that a lone family will not have the manpower to post a 24/7 security, let alone all the skill sets necessary for long term survival.
Many times I had advocated to these rural survivalists that they network and develop a retreat group for the purpose of having extra folks for help and security at their retreat when the time comes. If done correctly, this sort of arrangment can be beneficial to both parties. The city bound survivalist now has a bug out location or run to spot where he can escape to in time of trouble. The country bound survivalist now has extra help around for security, food production efforts, etc. Of all the "group" retreat arrangements I've seen, this type is the one that usually works best and makes it long term.
There are some serious disadvantages to this. First and foremost the country survivalist must be VERY careful in selection of prospects. You are potentially going to be living around- if not directly with- these people for a long period of time. If you can't stand to be around Jimmy for a weekend, guess what, he's going to be impossible to be around for an extended period of time. Herein lies the problem- most people will "fake it" during the first initial meetings. Children will be warned to be on there best behavior. What happens when you committ to them and then find out there is serious family issues? To me, time is the only factor that's going to allow these things to be seen. You may see some warning signals during the first initial meetings. It would be wise to use caution and take your time if and when these signals arise. Be ready to communicate effectively.
I've advocated for years a list of requirements for a group. This doesn't have to have specific information that isn't pertinent or could cause OPSEC problems. A general guideline of "what's expected" should be the general theme. This will likely have to be revised from time to time. If you just talk about these things someone can always claim "I don't remember talking about that." If you have it in written form AND discuss it, there should be none of that. Well at the very least, you can always refer them to the list of guidelines.
Just what sort of things should you lay out?*What's required for group participation- This should include all time requirements (i.e, we meet one weekend ever other month) as well as all monetary requirements (i.e, each group member is required to pay $50.00 per person per year to help cover the costs of materials for training events). Gear and supply requirements should also be laid out succintly (i.e, by the end of the first year with the group a member should have X amount of food, 2,000 rounds of ammuntion and Requirements A through C on the gear list completed). * Unacceptable behavior amongst the group- here's where I'll probably lose most people. Some will say that this is being dictatorial, that you "can't legislate ethics", etc. Both statements are true to an extent. Let me be blunt and painfully honest- some folks just don't know how to act now a days.
Experience with most people now a days clearly is in line with how the apostle Paul described how people would be in the end times. To surmise; selfish, worldly POS's (my description, not Paul's). To think that anyone is better than this without firsthand long term experience with them is simply naive. There was a reason the Lord Himself taught the "golden rule." Basically if you can't stand to be around anyone that spits, then you aren't going to make it in a group of folks that chew. If you can't stand lieing, then you aren't going to make it around a group of liberals :)Again, the reasoning behind laying out what is and isn't acceptable in this realm is the fact that you may very well be living with, near or amongst these people for an extended period of time if TS ever does HTF. Are blowups gonna happen? Yes of course. Are people going to get irritable and upset with one another? Yes of course. It's how this is handled during and after the fact that needs to be addressed. The last thing you want is someone harboring resentment against you for a long period of time for eating the last twinkie in the box. Be slow to speak, quick to listen and ready to forgive. When you are forgiven, be ready to do the same next time.
Really a group situation is no different than any family organization. Like most families, sometimes things "come to a head." Above all it needs to be brought up, dwelt with and forgiveness given. Sweeping it under the rug, accepting bad behavior or just ignoring it is NEVER the answer and will send a wrong signal to the perpetrator. Hope this helps.
RH
**Thank you RH for that email!!**
*** please send all blog entries to
flasurvival@hotmail.com
So we may be able to post them for you.
D69A
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Retreat arrangements
OK, so you don't have 40 acres on a mountain in Idaho, or 20 acres in the swamps of southern Georgia, you live in the suburbs and your convinced that you must stay there. What to do?First and foremost I'd be amiss if I didn't call "bravo sierra" on the fact that you "have" to stay in the suburbs. In case you didn't get the memo, "bravo sierra" stands for BS.
I'm convinced that ANYONE serious enough can make it out of the suburbs/city and move to the country, usually within 6 months IF motivated enough. Some want it bad enough, most don't however. So let's consider some Retreat Arrangements other than living full time at your retreat. First off, let's consider the absentee owner route. This is where you own a retreat property in a safe area as well as maintaining a "normal" residence in suburbia. The high costs involved with keeping up essentially two households usually becomes overwhelming for the average survivalist. Even a modest cabin with 2 acres can set one back $10-20,000. in some areas of the country now a days. We won't even consider the costs of property taxes, mowing, general upkeep, etc. Another disadvantage is the fact that it's highly likely that a lone unoccupied residence will be broken into, sometimes repeatedly. We have some neighbors in our area that purchased a house here but remained in another state. The house was repeatedly broken into. So much so the wife would come up unexpectedly, hide her vehicle and sit in the house with a rifle and the lights off! She was determined to catch whoever was breaking in. For them the theft of items was a nuisance. If you are depending on having key items in place and you arrive at your retreat to find them gone, it may cause you slightly more discomfort. Especially if you only become aware of the loss when the items are truly needed.
With absentee ownership there is also the real possiblity that you will arrive to find your retreat already occupied. Serious thought, planning and preparation should be given to how you would have to re-take it. Some would argue that you could hire a "caretaker" to live on the property and watch over it while you are away. I would argue that there is a 90% chance that your "caretaker" will not take too kindly to being booted out when the time comes for you to occupy the retreat. The mere implications of bringing the proverbial "wrong person" with him to your property could wreck your security for years to come. Probably the biggest factor against this sort of retreat arrangement would be the experience factor. Living at your retreat full time teaches you an immense amount of information that you will not get with monthly or even every weekend trips.
When we left Florida in November of 1999 I honestly felt pretty confident in my ability to raise food. I had raised rabbits and chickens in my backyard in suburbia, had a small garden, etc. I had read, studied and consumed hundreds of books on growing food, raising animals, ponds and orchards. In retrospect, I didn't have a clue!!!I realize now that I was waaaaay behind the learning curve for most subjects dealing with true long term survival. Sure I had plenty of food storage, which could have given me a lot of time to learn, however I likely would not have had specific items I needed, time to develop soil, or even just the correct varieties of fruit trees that would produce in my area. I really do pity the folks that think homesteading will be a "piece of cake." I would highly suggest that if you do not have credible, real life, year to year experience growing 50% or more of what you currently eat yourself, that you absolutely forget the notion of a 1 year supply and work towards a 2 year and preferably a 3 year supply. Having this much food storage will be a "cushion" to allow you time to develop the skills to raise your own food.
The only way I would advise the "absentee" ownership move would be if you have a short time frame- less than a year- until you can and will actually move to your retreat. At the very least your going to have to start thinking outside the box, using a lot of psy-ops techniques and do a good amount of midnight gardening in you choose absentee ownership. One other possible retreat arrangement would be the group retreat. I've spent a lot of time and bandwidth in previous blogs going over how and why this type of thing usually does not work. Suffice to say in my encounters with literally thousands of survivalists over the last 20 years, I've seen a total of 1 of these types of arrangements that worked. The reason it worked? The group was already a "group" before it purchased the land. Common bonds were formed decades before, it was essentially one big family. Meeting JoeBob and Cleetus on the net and making this work with them is pretty much an impossiblity. Getting financially knit together with people you do not know well is never a good idea.
Other arrangements-
Occassionaly in corresponding with and consulting with like minded folks I met survivalists that have already made the move out of the cities. It's not uncommon for them to realize the need for a group of people to depend on- a retreat group or survival group- to up there own chances of survival. It doesn't take much time to figure out that a lone family will not have the manpower to post a 24/7 security, let alone all the skill sets necessary for long term survival.
Many times I had advocated to these rural survivalists that they network and develop a retreat group for the purpose of having extra folks for help and security at their retreat when the time comes. If done correctly, this sort of arrangment can be beneficial to both parties. The city bound survivalist now has a bug out location or run to spot where he can escape to in time of trouble. The country bound survivalist now has extra help around for security, food production efforts, etc. Of all the "group" retreat arrangements I've seen, this type is the one that usually works best and makes it long term.
There are some serious disadvantages to this. First and foremost the country survivalist must be VERY careful in selection of prospects. You are potentially going to be living around- if not directly with- these people for a long period of time. If you can't stand to be around Jimmy for a weekend, guess what, he's going to be impossible to be around for an extended period of time. Herein lies the problem- most people will "fake it" during the first initial meetings. Children will be warned to be on there best behavior. What happens when you committ to them and then find out there is serious family issues? To me, time is the only factor that's going to allow these things to be seen. You may see some warning signals during the first initial meetings. It would be wise to use caution and take your time if and when these signals arise. Be ready to communicate effectively.
I've advocated for years a list of requirements for a group. This doesn't have to have specific information that isn't pertinent or could cause OPSEC problems. A general guideline of "what's expected" should be the general theme. This will likely have to be revised from time to time. If you just talk about these things someone can always claim "I don't remember talking about that." If you have it in written form AND discuss it, there should be none of that. Well at the very least, you can always refer them to the list of guidelines.
Just what sort of things should you lay out?*What's required for group participation- This should include all time requirements (i.e, we meet one weekend ever other month) as well as all monetary requirements (i.e, each group member is required to pay $50.00 per person per year to help cover the costs of materials for training events). Gear and supply requirements should also be laid out succintly (i.e, by the end of the first year with the group a member should have X amount of food, 2,000 rounds of ammuntion and Requirements A through C on the gear list completed). * Unacceptable behavior amongst the group- here's where I'll probably lose most people. Some will say that this is being dictatorial, that you "can't legislate ethics", etc. Both statements are true to an extent. Let me be blunt and painfully honest- some folks just don't know how to act now a days.
Experience with most people now a days clearly is in line with how the apostle Paul described how people would be in the end times. To surmise; selfish, worldly POS's (my description, not Paul's). To think that anyone is better than this without firsthand long term experience with them is simply naive. There was a reason the Lord Himself taught the "golden rule." Basically if you can't stand to be around anyone that spits, then you aren't going to make it in a group of folks that chew. If you can't stand lieing, then you aren't going to make it around a group of liberals :)Again, the reasoning behind laying out what is and isn't acceptable in this realm is the fact that you may very well be living with, near or amongst these people for an extended period of time if TS ever does HTF. Are blowups gonna happen? Yes of course. Are people going to get irritable and upset with one another? Yes of course. It's how this is handled during and after the fact that needs to be addressed. The last thing you want is someone harboring resentment against you for a long period of time for eating the last twinkie in the box. Be slow to speak, quick to listen and ready to forgive. When you are forgiven, be ready to do the same next time.
Really a group situation is no different than any family organization. Like most families, sometimes things "come to a head." Above all it needs to be brought up, dwelt with and forgiveness given. Sweeping it under the rug, accepting bad behavior or just ignoring it is NEVER the answer and will send a wrong signal to the perpetrator. Hope this helps.
RH
**Thank you RH for that email!!**
*** please send all blog entries to
flasurvival@hotmail.com
So we may be able to post them for you.
D69A
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Thursday, October 29, 2009
BOL where?
"Enjoy the site, thanks. I was wondering what part of the sunshine state did you feel would be the best place to established a bug out location at or to bug out to." Jack
Hello Jack, Thanks for the question. Florida has a lot going for it now as far as a place to live. However it has a lot going AGAINST it when you consider a TSHTF type situation. High population density, dozens upon dozens of nuclear targets, very little agricultural base, a largely urban and system dependent population, all of these are just a few of the things going against Florida as a retreat location. That being said, the only areas I personally would consider would near- didn't say IN- the Ocala National Forest in the center of the state and the north central section of the state far enough away from Tallahassee and far enough away from Jacksonville, PREFERABLY above Interstate 10. If I-10 was shut down, closed, blocked, etc. no one could leave the state by vehicle or foot. Something to consider in Florida. That's the short, sweet, simple answer :)
Thanks for posting. RH-
As always send your questions and entries to
flasurvival@hotmail.com
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Bob-
Hello Jack, Thanks for the question. Florida has a lot going for it now as far as a place to live. However it has a lot going AGAINST it when you consider a TSHTF type situation. High population density, dozens upon dozens of nuclear targets, very little agricultural base, a largely urban and system dependent population, all of these are just a few of the things going against Florida as a retreat location. That being said, the only areas I personally would consider would near- didn't say IN- the Ocala National Forest in the center of the state and the north central section of the state far enough away from Tallahassee and far enough away from Jacksonville, PREFERABLY above Interstate 10. If I-10 was shut down, closed, blocked, etc. no one could leave the state by vehicle or foot. Something to consider in Florida. That's the short, sweet, simple answer :)
Thanks for posting. RH-
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